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"I am not a forecaster of the future; I'm a historian. And history says this will blow up. It always has. And there will be some blood on the street." — Wells Fargo & Co. Chief Executive Officer Richard Kovacevich, in December, 2006.v


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May 9 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Ken Lewis said a so-called credit bubble is about to break after six years of historically low interest rates and relaxed lending criteria.

``We are close to a time when we'll look back and say we did some stupid things,'' Lewis said, speaking at a lunch at the Swiss-American Chamber of Commerce in Zurich. ``We need a little more sanity in a period in which everyone feels invincible and thinks this is different.''

Demand for so-called junk bonds is close to its highest in a decade, while risk premiums are near their lowest level in a decade. Investors demand an extra 2.69 percentage points to own high-yield, high-risk securities instead of Treasuries, about 2 percentage points less than the spread's 10-year median, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. index data.

The spread on Feb. 22 came within 5 basis points of the all-time low of 2.44 percentage points, set on Oct. 17, 1997.

Junk bonds are rated below Baa3 by Moody's Investors Service and BBB- by Standard & Poor's. Bank of America has been the No. 2 arranger of high-yield loans every year since 2000, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Lending rates for companies rated four or five levels below investment grade are only 28 basis points higher than their all- time low in February of 2.12 percentage points over the London interbank offered rate.

Bad Deal

Lewis, 60, said ``We need a deal to go bad, as long as we're not in it.''

The global high-yield default rate fell to 1.5 percent in April from 1.7 percent at the end of 2006, its lowest year-end level since 1996 and its fifth straight annual decline, according to Moody's.

Defaults will rise this year, according to Edward Altman, a New York University professor who in the 1960s created a widely used mathematical formula that measures the risk of corporate bankruptcy. Altman predicts 2.50 percent of the $1.1 trillion junk bond market will default this year, up from 0.76 percent at the end of 2006. The rate will climb to 2.72 percent in 2008, he said in January.

Some bank executives, including Barclays Plc President Robert Diamond, say the credit rally may run longer.

``I think the liquidity is probably a little bit more sustainable than he would think,'' Diamond said in an interview today. ``Only time will tell.'' He said bond yields are increasing and volatility ``will be back.''

LaSalle Bank

Charlotte, North Carolina-based Bank of America is trying to buy the LaSalle unit of Amsterdam-based ABN Amro Holding NV for $21 billion.

Lewis, who started his career as a credit analyst, also said ``risk is being distributed so much more effectively than in the past'' because it's ``spread across a broad range of investors.''

The chief executive said that while the bank has turned down some corporate customers as too risky, ``the deals we've turned down have been taken up quickly by others.''

Lewis said real estate prices, punctured by defaults among subprime borrowers, should stop falling by the end of this quarter, ``and won't drift over into the prime or super-prime market.''

While wages and employment are rising, ``people won't be giving up their homes in that environment,'' Lewis said. ``The subprime market was exacerbated by poor lending techniques by a few.''

No Subprime

Bank of America is ``not considering doing subprime'' mortgages, Floyd Robinson, its mortgage head, said in a May 7 interview, even though the sale or closure of at least two dozen companies focused on lending to borrowers with poor credit or high debt within the past year has lessened competition.

Lewis's comments were preceded by some pessimism from Wells Fargo & Co. Chief Executive Officer Richard Kovacevich who said in December that ``I am not a forecaster of the future; I'm a historian. And history says this will blow up. It always has. And there will be some blood on the street.''
May 9 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Ken Lewis said a so-called credit bubble is about to break after six years of historically low interest rates and relaxed lending criteria.

``We are close to a time when we'll look back and say we did some stupid things,'' Lewis said, speaking at a lunch at the Swiss-American Chamber of Commerce in Zurich. ``We need a little more sanity in a period in which everyone feels invincible and thinks this is different.''

Demand for so-called junk bonds is close to its highest in a decade, while risk premiums are near their lowest level in a decade. Investors demand an extra 2.69 percentage points to own high-yield, high-risk securities instead of Treasuries, about 2 percentage points less than the spread's 10-year median, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. index data.

The spread on Feb. 22 came within 5 basis points of the all-time low of 2.44 percentage points, set on Oct. 17, 1997.

Junk bonds are rated below Baa3 by Moody's Investors Service and BBB- by Standard & Poor's. Bank of America has been the No. 2 arranger of high-yield loans every year since 2000, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Lending rates for companies rated four or five levels below investment grade are only 28 basis points higher than their all- time low in February of 2.12 percentage points over the London interbank offered rate.

Bad Deal

Lewis, 60, said ``We need a deal to go bad, as long as we're not in it.''

The global high-yield default rate fell to 1.5 percent in April from 1.7 percent at the end of 2006, its lowest year-end level since 1996 and its fifth straight annual decline, according to Moody's.

Defaults will rise this year, according to Edward Altman, a New York University professor who in the 1960s created a widely used mathematical formula that measures the risk of corporate bankruptcy. Altman predicts 2.50 percent of the $1.1 trillion junk bond market will default this year, up from 0.76 percent at the end of 2006. The rate will climb to 2.72 percent in 2008, he said in January.

Some bank executives, including Barclays Plc President Robert Diamond, say the credit rally may run longer.

``I think the liquidity is probably a little bit more sustainable than he would think,'' Diamond said in an interview today. ``Only time will tell.'' He said bond yields are increasing and volatility ``will be back.''

LaSalle Bank

Charlotte, North Carolina-based Bank of America is trying to buy the LaSalle unit of Amsterdam-based ABN Amro Holding NV for $21 billion.

Lewis, who started his career as a credit analyst, also said ``risk is being distributed so much more effectively than in the past'' because it's ``spread across a broad range of investors.''

The chief executive said that while the bank has turned down some corporate customers as too risky, ``the deals we've turned down have been taken up quickly by others.''

Lewis said real estate prices, punctured by defaults among subprime borrowers, should stop falling by the end of this quarter, ``and won't drift over into the prime or super-prime market.''

While wages and employment are rising, ``people won't be giving up their homes in that environment,'' Lewis said. ``The subprime market was exacerbated by poor lending techniques by a few.''

No Subprime

Bank of America is ``not considering doing subprime'' mortgages, Floyd Robinson, its mortgage head, said in a May 7 interview, even though the sale or closure of at least two dozen companies focused on lending to borrowers with poor credit or high debt within the past year has lessened competition.

Lewis's comments were preceded by some pessimism from Wells Fargo & Co. Chief Executive Officer Richard Kovacevich who said in December that ``I am not a forecaster of the future; I'm a historian. And history says this will blow up. It always has. And there will be some blood on the street.''

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Minyanville's daily Five Things You Need to Know to stay ahead of the pack on Wall Street:

The Bernanke Put

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, in prepared remarks before a conference on bank structure at the Chicago Fed, absolved the Fed of playing any role whatsoever in the subprime loan debacle, declared the subprime problem "isolated" from "responsible lending" and then waved around a gigantic put option just to let everyone know that, regardless, the Fed will step in and clean up whatever mess is left over.

Bernanke's remarks on the subprime mortgage market were "contained" in a speech colorfully titled, "The Subprime Mortgage Market."
How did we get to this point where the "well-contained" and "isolated" subprime mortgage market has produced the worst housing slump since the Great Depression?
How did we get to this point where the "well-contained" and "isolated" subprime mortgage market has caused the median existing-home price to drop nationwide for the first time since the Great Depression?
How did we get to this point where the "well-contained" and "isolated" subprime mortgage market has produced foreclosures running at a pace 60% higher than they were the year before?
How did we get to this point where the "well-contained" and "isolated" subprime mortgage market has put 2.2 million Americans at risk of losing their homes?
According to Bernanke we got to this point when subprime mortgage lending magically decided to expand in the mid-1990s.
"Having emerged more than two decades ago, subprime mortgage lending began to expand in earnest in the mid-1990s, the expansion spurred in large part by innovations that reduced the costs for lenders of assessing and pricing risks," Bernanke says.
"In addition, lenders developed new techniques for using [credit scoring] to determine underwriting standards, set interest rates, and manage their risks," he added.
To manage their risks? Really? To manage their risks? Are you sure that's gonna be your story? Cause you can make up something else if you want, you know. No? So, you're gonna stick with new techniques "to manage their risks"? OK.
Below is a list of the NOW DEFUNCT mortgage lenders that were apparently not quite as successful at taking advantage of the "new techniques for using [credit scoring] to determine underwriting standards, set interest rates, and manage their risks."
Great Moments in Mortgage Lending Risk Management History:
List of Defunct Mortgage Lenders
(as of May 16, 2007, from The Mortgage Lender Implode-O-Meter)
2007-05-16: Mortgage Tree Lending
2007-05-03: Homeland Capital Group
2007-05-02: Nation One Mortgage
2007-04-30: Dana Capital Group
2007-04-27: Millenium Funding Group
2007-04-20: MILA
2007-04-20: Home Equity of America
2007-04-19: Opteum (Wholesale, Conduit)
2007-04-19: Innovative Mortgage Capital
2007-04-16: Home Capital, Inc.
2007-04-13: Home 123 Mortgage
2007-04-12: Homefield Financial
2007-04-11: First Horizon Wholesale
2007-04-11: Platinum Capital Group
2007-04-09: First Source Funding Group
2007-04-10: Alterna Mortgage
2007-04-09: Solutions Funding
2007-04-05: People's Mortgage
2004-04-04: Zone Funding
2007-04-02: SouthStar Funding
2007-03-30: Warehouse USA
2007-03-29: H&R Block Mortgage
2007-03-31: Madison Equity Loans
2007-03-22: Sunset Direct Lending
2007-03-22: Kellner Mortgage Investments
2007-03-20: LoanCity
2007-03-17: CoreStar Financial Group
2007-03-16: Ameriquest
2007-03-15: Investaid Corp.
2007-03-14: People's Choice Financial Corp.
2007-03-14: Master Financial
2007-03-10: Maribella Mortgage
2007-03-09: FMF Capital LLC
We want to be very clear that we're not making this list up. Seriously.
2007-03-08: New Century Financial Corp.
2007-03-05: Ameritrust Mortgage Company
2007-03-05: Trojan Lending
2007-03-02: Fremont General Corporation
2007-03-02: DomesticBank
2007-02-28: Franklin Financial
2007-02-26: Ivanhoe Mortgage/Central Pacific Mortgage
2007-02-25: Eagle First Mortgage
2007-02-16: Coastal Capital
2007-02-14: Silver State Mortgage
2007-02-13: ResMAE Mortgage Corporation
2007-02-12: ECC Capital/Encore Credit
2007-02-08: Lender's Direct Capital Corporation
2007-01-31: Concorde Acceptance
2007-01-31: DeepGreen Financial
2007-01-25: Millenium Bankshares
2007-01-25: Summit Mortgage
2007-01-24: Mandalay Mortgage
2007-01-23: Rose Mortgage
2007-01-19: EquiBanc
2007-01-19: FundingAmerica
2007-01-09: Popular Financial Holdings
2007-01-08: Clear Choice Financial/Bay Capital
2007-01-08: Origen Wholesale Lending
2007-01-05: SecuredFunding
2007-01-03: Preferred Advantage
2006-12-29: MLN
2006-12-20: Harbourton Mortgage Investment Corporation
2006-12-07: OwnIt Mortgage
2006-12-06: Sebring Capital Partners
2006-11-21: Axis Mortgage & Investments
2006-11-08(?): Meritage Mortgage
2006-04-14: Acoustic Home Loans
2006-05-06: Merit Financial
OK, we just wanted to, you know, for the record, take a look at how these new techniques in credit scoring and risk management are playing out. Now, back to the Bernanke Put speech.
"Homeownership has also helped many families build wealth, and accumulated home equity may serve as a financial reserve that can be tapped as needed at a lower cost than most other forms of credit," Bernanke notes.
So, to be clear, homeownership has helped people "build wealth," which can then be "tapped" as a "financial reserve"? What happens after you "tap your wealth"? Just asking.
Bernanke is quick to note that mortgage originators have contributed to the recent problems in subprime.
"The practices of some mortgage originators have also contributed to the problems in the subprime sector. As the underlying pace of mortgage originations began to slow, but with investor demand for securities with high yields still strong, some lenders evidently loosened underwriting standards," he says.
Why did the underlying pace of mortgage originations begin to slow? No word from the Fed Chairman on that.
Why was "investor demand for securities with high yield" so strong in the first place? Again, no word from the Fed Chairman on that either.
We wonder if that's perhaps because the Fed's role in access to credit would need to be examined?
Moreover, not once are those who purchased credit mentioned in his speech. Not once.
It's as if "loosened" lending standards helped "cause" the default surge somehow!
Are we to believe that lenders just woke up one morning and said "Hey, let's extend credit to the worst possible loan risks we can find!"?!?
Access to credit and credit demand go hand-in-hand.
"The problems in the subprime mortgage market have occurred in the context of a slowdown in overall economic growth," Bernanke says in detailing the "Macroeconomic Implications."
He doesn't mention that the Fed has noted "moderate economic expansion" and above average resource utilization in their Fed statements almost from the day he took over as Fed Chair.
"The cooling of the housing market is an important source of this slowdown," he adds.
Yet , "we believe the effect of the troubles in the subprime sector on the broader housing market will likely be limited, and we do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy or to the financial system," Bernanke says.
And finally, in conclusion, we get the implicit Bernanke Put:
"We at the Federal Reserve will do all that we can to prevent fraud and abusive lending and to ensure that lenders employ sound underwriting practices and make effective disclosures to consumers. At the same time, we must be careful not to inadvertently suppress responsible lending or eliminate refinancing opportunities for subprime borrowers. Together with other regulators and the Congress, our success in balancing these objectives will have significant implications for the financial well-being, access to credit, and opportunities for homeownership of many of our fellow citizens."
So there you have it, in one fell swoop he absolves the Fed of playing any role whatsoever in the subprime loan debacle, declares the subprime problem "isolated" from "responsible lending" and then waves around a gigantic put option just to let everyone know that, regardless, the Fed will step in and clean up whatever mess is left over.
That's why today there's only one thing you need to know. No worries. Carry on. The Fed's got your back.

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Are we to believe that lenders just woke up one morning and said "Hey, let's extend credit to the worst possible loan risks we can find!"?!?


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Are we to believe that lenders just woke up one morning and said "Hey, let's extend credit to the worst possible loan risks we can find!"?!?


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je vais faire 2 mariages aux states cet été dont l'un une des meilleures amies de ma cherie ricaine est agent immobilier.Elle se marie avec un prof d'université (qui a eu son diplome à Columbia) et dont la mère est également agent immo.
Ca sent tellement le roussi que le mariage va être annulé :lol: :lol: :lol:
phev tes conneries vont bien les faire marrer
je t'assure que leur niveau de vie est vraiment pas mal et ne risque pas de baisser mais bon un programmeur aigri parisien connaît certainement mieux le marché qu'elles :roll: :roll: :lol:


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phiphi je tinvite viens passer tes vacances ici....je suis sur que tu acheteras...un pote a acheter une maison en mars pas cher 350 000 usd, il vient juste de faire un upraisal(si tu comprends pas revise ton anglais) et bien il peut la vendre 460 000 usd aujourdhui.....ARRETE DE GENERALISER PHIPHI

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des maisons avec des vues comme cela n ont pas de prix, elles prennent de la valeur tous les jours et se vendent tres bien et tres vitte

arrete vivre dans le virtuel phiphi raproche toi de la nature cela te fera le plus grand bien....

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Immobilier US : une bulle et des requins
17 mars 2007Jim Rogers, un ex-associé de George Soros, prévoit un effondrement du marché immobilier US qui pourrait atteindre 40% par endroit, et juge que l’éclatement de la bulle aura de sérieuses répercussions sur les marchés. Mais pendant la crise les affaires continuent, et les vendeurs de crédits ne reculent devant rien pour placer leurs contrats.


L’ex associé de Soros prévoit un effondrement de l’immobilier.

Selon Jim Rogers, « gourou » des investisseurs sur le marché des matières premières, la crise financière des prêts à risques va entrainer un crash du marché immobilier, multipliant les défaillances des emprunteurs, et aura des répercussions jusque sur les marchés des pays émergents.

« Vous ne pouvez savoir à quel point la situation va empirer avant d’aller un peu mieux », prévoit-il.

« Cela va être un désastre pour beaucoup de gens qui n’ont aucune idée de ce qui arrive quand une bulle immobilière éclate ».

« Cela va être un énorme gâchis »

Ces dernières années, afin de soutenir le marché immobilier, les organisme de crédit ont consenti des prêts a des acheteurs ne présentant pas les garanties de revenus requises.

Le nombre de ces contrats, dits « subprime », a considérablement augmenté depuis cinq ans. Les souscripteurs de ce type d’engagement ne sont soumis à aucun contrôle de leurs revenus réels, mais payent en contrepartie des taux bien supérieurs aux clients présentant des garanties. Les taux des subprimes peuvent être majorés de 5 ou 6% par rapport aux contrats standards.

Selon une étude du Crédit Suisse, les subprimes qui ne représentaient que 18% des prêts consentis en 2001, ont atteint 48% du total en 2006. Un sondage effectué par le Mortgage Asset Research Institute auprès des emprunteurs montre que 60% des signataires de ces contrats ont exagéré de 50% leur niveau de revenu dans les déclarations qu’ils ont effectuées.

La très forte augmentation de l’immobilier ces dernières années a conduit de très nombreux foyers à s’endetter au delà du raisonnable pour pouvoir accéder à la propriéte. Il n’est pas rare que la valeur de l’emprunt dépasse 90% de la valeur du bien.

D’autre part les subprimes présentent souvent la particularité de présenter des taux attractifs durant 2 ou 3 ans, avant d’arriver à leur valeur nominale, bien plus élevée que celle des autres prêts.

De nombreux propriétaires ont pris ce risque, pensant que la hausse continue de l’immobilier permettrait de renégocier plus tard un rachat de l’emprunt adossé à la valeur de leur patrimoine, ou de se libérer de la dette à la revente.

Mais avec le retournement du marché, le tassement des prix, ces ménages se retrouvent endettés pour une valeur supérieure à celle de leur domicile, et sont souvent incapables de faire face aux remboursements une fois passée la période initiale.

« L’immobilier va baisser de 40 à 50% dans les zones ou la spéculation a été la plus forte. Il va y avoir des défaillances massives dans les remboursements », estime Rogers.

« Quand les marchés sortent des bulles et reviennent à la réalité, un tas de gens s’y brûlent ».

Rogers, qui a fondé dans les années 1970 le Quantum Fund avec George Soros, prévoit que la crise de l’immobilier aura des « répercussions sur les marchés financiers, tout spécialement ceux qui sont spéculatifs ».

« En ce moment, il y a d’énorme excès spéculatifs sur les marchés émergents », juge Rogers, qui a vendu ses avoirs dans ce secteurs, sauf en Chine, car il estime que même avec une dépréciation de 30 ou 40%, ses positions sur ce marché restent intêressantes.

Lors de l’éclatement de la bulle immobilière au Japon, Rogers rappelle que les actions avaient chuté de 85%, malgré les énormes réserves d’épargne et une balance commerciale très bénéficiaire.

« C’est la fin de l’époque des liquidités », affirme-t-il. « Certains marchés vont baisser de 50 ou 80%, et certains vont sans doute s’effondrer ».

Les requins

Le Guardian a rencontré l’un des souscripteurs de ces contrats de subprimes. Simeon Ferguson, âgé de 85 ans, et souffrant de sénilité profonde, a été contacté par un démarcheur de l’organisme de crédit Global Financial.

Ni son âge, ni son état mental n’ont été considérés comme des handicaps par l’organisme prêteur. M. Ferguson voulait racheter son prêt en souscrivant un crédit qui lui aurait permis de voir baisser ses mensualités.

Récemment, sa fille, Karlene Grant, a appris qu’il avait cinq mois d’arriérés. En explorant le contrat, rempli de clauses obscures imprimées en caractères minuscules elle s’est aperçue que les mensualités de la période initiale s’élèvent à 1 480$ - bien plus que les mensualités de l’ancien prêt - et bien plus aussi que les 1 100$ de revenus de son père.

Pourtant, même à ce taux, les remboursements ne couvrent pas les intérêts, et le montant total du crédit continue d’augmenter. Au bout de trois ans les mensualités bondiront à 4 200$.

Karene a constaté que son père avait signé un contrat sans que l’organisme prêteur n’effectue de contrôle sur ses revenus réels.

M. Ferguson, dont les capacités intellectuelles sont diminuées au point qu’il est incapable d’ordonner les chiffres de 1 à 12 sur une image d’horloge, ne s’est évidemment pas rendu compte de ce qu’il a signé.

Selon l’organisme de crédit Global Financial, aucune infraction n’a été commise.

Le Guardian fait état de nombreux exemples de contrats aussi scandaleux, et indique que le téléphone continue de sonner dix foix par jour chez M. Ferguson, avec au bout du fil des compagnies de crédit.

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